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Big Pharma: The Most Profitable Drug Cartel Episode Transcript

00:00 - Damaris (Host)

the definition of cartel, an association of manufacturers or suppliers with the purpose of maintaining prices at a high level and restricting competition Sounds about right to me.

00:16 - Nachi (Host)

That definition is fitting for that. Welcome to another episode of I'm Not Yelling, I'm Dominican podcast hosted by Nachi and Damaris. Hey, fam, it's your girl, nachi, and I'm here with.

00:34 - Damaris (Host)

Damaris, also known as the Bronx Deepak Chopra.

00:40 - Nachi (Host)

That's all of that.

00:42 - Damaris (Host)

I mean he used to be a doctor, that I am one, but right I'm a doctor. I play one on tv. No, I'm not a doctor, don't come for me, please right.

00:55 - Nachi (Host)

But speaking of television, I just have a question for our listeners. Have you ever noticed the number of commercials pharmaceutical commercials that are out there? It's almost like every other commercial is a pharmaceutical based one, where they're just peddling their meds, seeking out those who are vulnerable, who are suffering from chronic diseases or ailments, and they sort of throw out this little magic pill. You have this, I have a little magic pill for you, but just a disclaimer, there's like 100,000 side effects to watch out for, but it will take care of this one symptom or two symptoms or whatever disease that you have.

01:51

So that's what we're going to get into today. We want to talk about the origins of allopathic medicine, how it influences medical schools and even doctors who are prescribing these medications. I cannot tell you the number of times I've been to a physician office and there's a pharmaceutical rep either, bringing lunches and treats and all of that, just so that they can get these physicians to prescribe a particular medication. So we are going to get into all of that and I want Damaris to go ahead and kick this off, because this is going to be a real good one.

02:31 - Damaris (Host)

It sure is. Thank you, sister. And while I know the title speaks specifically about big pharma and we want to get into that, but I think it's really important, before we just dive into how Big Pharma has its presence right now in our country and in our lives, to really lay the foundation of what was the groundwork that led up to what we know Big Pharma to be today, and that's why I think it's really important that we, when we start to talk about that is to start with the story of one particular individual, and this gentleman is a very famous, successful businessman, american businessman. That pretty much is a household name. Everyone knows who John D Rockefeller is. Even if you don't know specifically what he's done, you know the name Rockefeller.

03:29 - Nachi (Host)

Yeah, you definitely know that it is an.

03:31 - Damaris (Host)

American dynasty name, and for good reason. So in 1872, john D Rockefeller he either shut down or was able to acquire 90% of oil companies, forming a monopoly. And by the time 1911 rolled around, the government's like nah kid, you're doing too much, you violating some antitrust laws, and now we got to force your one gigantic company to break up into multiple independent countries, so they broke up his monopoly. In doing so, this is a businessman that is about control, and you see that in the types of businesses that he started and how he went about his business. Obviously, the oil standard oil was an example of that, but then he started to move into other areas and other sectors, and that was part of that was turning his access to. It was very much in addressing the threat of natural health or natural health approaches to ailments, and so he used what he had, you know, as discretion, his resources, which were petrochemicals, right, and the fact that today still and are these petrochemicals like?

05:10

derived from petroleum. Yes, yes, and that's what? Yes, that's what the petro and petrochemical stands for. Yeah, so basically all of our pharmaceuticals are comprised of petrochemicals. Right, so they are broken down and you guys could read into the science of that. I, I'm not getting into that, but there's so much that comes with what we're going to discuss today.

05:48

I do want to hear from our listeners about. I have petroleum, we have these petrochemicals. Yeah, let's make some pharmaceuticals. I mean, you know that's in a nutshell. Don't quote me on it, don't be stupid. Like I said, most pharmaceuticals come from petrochemicals and they're a combination of like these acids and hydrides used to make things like Novocaine and histamine, as well as sedatives, tranquilizers, dec use every day. That's over the counter as well as behind the counter that are prescribed medication. And this I picked up directly because you know I like my sources, nachi.

06:37

I mean you know y'all not going to catch me out there. I like my sources, yes.

06:42 - Nachi (Host)

You always do your research.

06:44 - Damaris (Host)

And that line about most pharmaceuticals come from petrochemicals comes from the National Library of Science or, I'm sorry, the National Library of Medicine, which can be found online within the National Institute of Health, which is a government agency, so the NIH, which I think it's Fauci that used to be head of the NIH, just so people could make those connections of, like, what agencies I'm talking about.

07:14

Yeah, they're not made up, okay, it's a real agency. So fast forward. Let me just get through this. What Rockefeller does, as we've already shared with you, with other industries like big food, remember the sugar industry they hired some researchers, some doctors to fund and they funded a study to, you know, show the health about sugar. Well, he did something similar. Rockefeller did something similar, he, along with the Carnegie Foundation. So the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundation funded this study by Flexner, and it's called the Flexner Report to study the medical schools and their curriculum. And we'll get into why. Which in this report.

08:06

The Flexion Report, single-handedly changed the medical schools and the face of Western medicine as we know it. It swayed the government to use allopathic medicine to treat diseases. And when we say allopathic medicine, we mean things like pharmaceuticals, moving away from medicines that were used for thousands of years, herbs and other plant-derived medicines, moving away from that and labeling that as alternative and moving towards these highly addictive, high side effect drugs from the allopathic world. And that became the standard. So you, you understand how right, right and what?

08:50 - Nachi (Host)

what year was this? What year is this?

08:52 - Damaris (Host)

so he, um, so this was after 1911, after he was found to be the antitrust, and then it was like somewhere, somewhere in the early 1900s to 1920s where, like there's this report that comes out and then his influence with the government to then have like this one, um, the american medical association to define how all medical medical schools, what, what the curriculum should be for all medical schools. So that is crazy yes, funded by him. Now why right again? This mega rich guy right, he's like I'm bored no he just wants more control.

09:31

But this is when you have people that feel, because they have so much money, it is, it is their um, they feel entitled to now control the masses. Right, if you will. So that's the history and the genesis of the medical schools and how the curriculum was then redefined and standardized, but standardized based on allopathic medicine, versus the medicine that doctors beforehand were using in getting healing properties derived from herbs and plants and that was erased from medical textbooks through this Flexner Report, through the influence of Rockefeller.

10:15 - Nachi (Host)

Right. So now where people look at it as oh, that's just woo-woo medicine.

10:20 - Damaris (Host)

That's not real medicine. No, that's how people survived for thousands for millennia, when we get into big pharma. I thought it was so interesting that I came across, of course, you know some information and it was like the word origin of pharmacy alone is interesting. Do you know the history or the origin? Of the word. No, no, but tell us yes yes, it's derived from and I'm probably mispronouncing this, but who cares, y'all figure it out Derived from pharmakeia, the Greek word for sorcery.

10:54 - Nachi (Host)

Oh child, let me convince you, let me convince you otherwise.

11:01 - Damaris (Host)

No, it gets better. It's not just a Greek word for sorcery. Let me work my magic, right, right, that's the real black magic. Okay, and they want to be like oh, you taking those herbs and roots? No, it's those demon names you named those pharmaceutical drugs, probably summoning up. Let me stop, you're not summoning demons by the weird-ass names of these drugs. But no, but really. But back to the origin of the word Nachi. Come on, stay focused. It's also a healing or harmful medicine, a drug or poisonous potion Like those are all kinds of part of the definition and I was like, wow, that is so fitting. Yes, it can be healing, but oh, so harmful holy shit.

11:51 - Nachi (Host)

Yes.

11:51 - Damaris (Host)

I was like facts, okay, I'm like I'm not making this up, look it up. And so what's further interesting to understand why Big Pharma has so much power in our country? It is the biggest lobbying effort than any other industry. Now, for those that don't understand or are not familiar with the term lobbying, right, I first became familiar with the concept of lobbying when I was in college. I took one course with. He was a lobbyist and so he was an adjunct professor. He taught this class. It was really fascinating and I was like, wow, this really happens. So, basically, what a lobbyist will do is that they represent either an industry or a company and they try to gain with various Congress members so that they can influence and push laws that favor that industry or company usually an industry. So companies will be part of an industry group so that they can, so that that lobbying group can represent the interests of, let's say, all financial firms, which those lobbies do exist. So there's lobbies for, obviously for pharmaceutical companies, and they're the biggest lobbying effort.

13:17 - Nachi (Host)

Right, because they have deep pockets.

13:19 - Damaris (Host)

They have deep pockets, so they influence. So guess what pockets so they influence. So guess what that? That includes that idea of paying for campaigns, donating, having these you know private dinner conversations with your your, the elected politician, as opposed to your local officials, represent you and your interests. Well right, they're going to represent the interests of the people that actually pay for their campaigns directly and in huge sums. So not only are they doing that, obviously, within Congress and within the government, but, as you already mentioned at the opening, directly with physicians. You go into a doctor's office and, like you said, you'll see a representative there. I mean, they're peddling drugs, a representative there. I mean they're peddling drugs. I mean they can be called a drug dealer, not in the street sense, but technically they are.

14:12 - Nachi (Host)

Technically they are. No disrespect to those pharmaceutical reps but you're pushing something right, okay, yes, and they're pushing it hard, and not only that they also actually they fund some of the medical school training programs.

14:30 - Damaris (Host)

So I almost feel like they're almost training their staff as well outside. That's like third party staff, these doctors, and so, as I've mentioned before previous episodes, always follow the money. Am I right, sister? Yes, when you follow the money, you'll find out what their real purpose is, you'll get your answer.

14:55 - Nachi (Host)

What's the underlining reason behind it?

14:57 - Damaris (Host)

all, that's it. That's it, and so another interesting fact that I came across was that how many? I'll ask you I'm actually going to position this as a question how?

15:18 - Nachi (Host)

many US adults do you think currently take prescribed medication. I'm going to say one out of three adults take a prescribed medication.

15:27 - Damaris (Host)

So you're saying 33%, a third.

15:30 - Nachi (Host)

Yeah.

15:31 - Damaris (Host)

Well, it's actually 66. Oh, 66% of all US adults take prescribed medication. Let that sink in. We're going to leave a pause. You know where I found that?

15:48 - Nachi (Host)

Because for resources, resources, because I'm also gonna put all the links in georgetownedu and an article 66 percent, yep, but if you like going back to what I said, if you look at all this commercial, so, if you like going back to what I said, if you look at all this commercial, so if you think about it, a person is watching their television show, on cable TV, and they they see this commercial of someone, man, you know, managing whatever chronic disease that they have have, or they're trying to lose weight or whatever the case may be, and they're like we got this drug for you. Speak to your doctor on your next visit. And literally these people will go to their physicians and say hey, can you put me on this? Because I'm trying to.

16:40

You know, I heard that this is really good, and where they heard that from is through the commercial, right. So it's just like they're brainwashing you, because literally that's what it is. I mean, you think about, even, like, when you think about how they uh, the type of commercials that they show children when they're younger, you know, with the toys and everything, they get them enticed. It's enticing enough for them to say, oh, I want this, I need to get this, because look how happy that person is, look how they're living their life, because it's always, you know, somebody frolicking.

17:19 - Damaris (Host)

I mean meanwhile they like side effects diarrhea. I'm sorry, what?

17:26 - Nachi (Host)

Or some other fatal shit. Like you may have a heart attack. You're like what?

17:31 - Damaris (Host)

They're like rare and fatal, but you might get a brain hemorrhage, what I'm sorry. What are you talking about?

17:39 - Nachi (Host)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's.

17:42 - Damaris (Host)

This is that that stat is is crazy to me personally, it is.

17:51 - Nachi (Host)

It is crazy and it's scary. That's more than half of adults in this country.

17:57 - Damaris (Host)

That's on a prescribed medication and I think what gets lost is that when you look up a definition, they'll you know pharmaceuticals are either will cure, meant to cure disease or to treat symptoms, you know, and all this stuff and I and I just find more often than not they're addressing some symptoms versus actually curing anything, and that to me, is a problem. But it also makes sense from a business standpoint, right, the idea of they're here to maintain your disease. And I know for some people that may sound very cynical of me, but I've just seen my mother be a victim to a doctor prescribing her medication to be preventative, which actually ended up making her extremely sick, like I. Just it's just not a thing. I just trust in our bodies so much more.

19:02 - Nachi (Host)

And the fact that she was dealing with and this is the other thing she was dealing with all these side effects from that medication that none of the other doctors that ended up seeing her, including her primary care physician, ever looked to the medication as being the problem.

19:25 - Damaris (Host)

Never took the time.

19:27 - Nachi (Host)

They kept giving her the runaround and saying I don't know what it and saying I don't know what it is.

19:32 - Damaris (Host)

I don't know what it is meanwhile, if they just went to drugscom and looked up the side effects of that particular medication, it said exactly.

19:42

It literally spelled out exactly what she was going through and and we had to go to our naturopathic family doctor to discover that oh wow, it's this high blood pressure medication that's causing her problems of over-medicalization, right, this disease-mongering kind of thing that I feel that happens with pharmaceuticals, because growing up we didn't see any pharmaceutical commercials and I mean we're not ancient but yes, we're older, but we ain't ancient like that. And then now in the last 20 years it's like the only commercials I see are pharmaceutical commercials or Wingstop commercials, and it's like no disrespect to Wingstop, but I'm just saying like those are the two things, and it's like wait what is happening here and so for me there's a level of you're pushing all these medicines and you're fear mongering.

20:53

You're like, oh, you should worry now about shingles and all this stuff. Wait, what the fuck are you talking about? Let me talk about this with my doctor. And why are you telling me I need to now tell my doctor this is what he or she should prescribe to me, what and so? But I get it right, Because, if you want to just step out of the emotion, this is about making profits and understanding that, and this is why you know, when we think about the most recent medical crisis this country has gone through and I won't name it because people become unhinged when you talk about it but we were developing vaccines and doing all these things these're going to tell me that in four months, less than six months, you're able to now come up with a vaccine that the whole world is suffering from and it's been fully vetted and all this good stuff.

22:05

Look, I don't care about people taking a vaccine or not taking a vaccine, and to me it's not an anti-vax issue, it is an issue of medical freedom. That's it, point blank. And this is not even getting political Again. I need people to get out of their feelings about things and just looking at things as they are. You cannot tell me one breath that it is my body and then in the next breath it is not my body. When it comes to some medical yeah, certain medicines that you want me to say like it's just not, that's just not a thing for me yeah I.

22:48

I move the same in integrity always.

22:52 - Nachi (Host)

No, that's right.

22:54 - Damaris (Host)

So if I say that this is how I want myself to be treated, then that's what I want for everyone else, not what fits the narrative. And I bring up vaccines in particular, because there's one in particular that I think is kind of crazy. It's the Gardasil one, which is HPV, supposedly prevents HPV, and a few years ago the Baltimore Sun came out with an article about how Gardasil has been shown to not be safe nor effective. Three countries have banned it Japan, india. I forget the other one, you know what? Let me look at it right now. I have the article.

23:42 - Nachi (Host)

That's funny. I had this nurse that I used to work with. She literally told me she said don't ever give that to your kids. She was like don't. She warned me.

23:57 - Damaris (Host)

Oh, india, france and Japan that this HPV vaccine has been shown to be ineffective, nor safe. Baltimore Sun article. But do you understand that? It's still allowed in the USA. It's still allowed in the US of A, and there are doctors and pediatricians that are pushing that on their parents for their kids. Again, if you want to Look, we grew up, we were vaccinated, I mean, but we have like 12 vaccines. We don't have like 75 as they do now.

24:29

And the whole point is if you just step back and understand why the push for all of these vaccines. I mean, these are just moneymakers. This is like one of the biggest moneymakers for pharmaceutical companies are vaccines period, point blank. So however you feel about them pro, anti I don't give a fuck. I'm just telling you that's where they make a lot of their money and they're not always necessarily safe and effective.

24:57 - Nachi (Host)

But it's going back to what you said. It's having that medical freedom, and for you to make an informed decision you have to be knowledgeable.

25:08 - Damaris (Host)

That's it, yes.

25:09 - Nachi (Host)

The information that's given to you Don't go at face value. Because you saw a commercial or that, um, your physician said, oh, this is what's going on. Let me just write you a quick script. And you don't ask questions, you don't look into it, you don't again really become knowledgeable of what you're about to take on a daily basis that can change how your body operates and that can cause certain side effects. You know you have to understand all of that and still have that freedom to make that choice. It is your choice. You know that's kind of going with this. It's it's ultimately your choice when it comes to this. You know taking any type of medication.

26:09 - Damaris (Host)

Because I'm not anti-vax, I'm anti you telling me what medicine I should take. I know, right, that's it Like I don't care.

26:18 - Nachi (Host)

Right.

26:18 - Damaris (Host)

You take, you want 500 boosters, rock out, I do not care. What I do care is when you try to impose what you want to do to me, because here's the thing Nachi can tell you, all of my family can tell you. I've been about my immune system way before any global medical crisis.

26:44

Let's be, very clear about that. So what I don't need is anyone telling me how I should handle my body, any entity outside of Damaris, the Bronx, deepak Chopra, telling me what I should do with my body when I know exactly what needs to happen with my body.

27:02 - Nachi (Host)

Right, right, you know best.

27:06 - Damaris (Host)

I do the idea that anyone outside of me knows better about my body than me. Maybe that works for a lot of other people, but I am highly, highly attuned to my body. I know when something's off. I know when something's not right. Right, I don't need anybody to tell me when that's happening.

27:25 - Nachi (Host)

Right.

27:27 - Damaris (Host)

And I don't need anybody to tell me how to take care of it, because I've been doing it for I'm not going to say how many years- For many, many years.

27:37 - Nachi (Host)

Many years, many, many.

27:41 - Damaris (Host)

Look, the bottom line is that you being in good health is not in the interest of the pharmaceutical companies. I mean like that's just real talk it is not in the interest of the pharmaceutical companies.

27:51

I mean like that's just real talk. It is not in their best interest. They are a publicly traded company that are beholden to shareholders. Thereby they're beholden to the bottom line. They are here to make money. They are not a not-for-profit company. They are a for-profit company, so they make money when you don't do well and you continue to buy their medication. A lot of people in general not just in this country suffer from cognitive dissonance and they're like but they say they are good, Okay, you want to see how they make money, right, Right?

28:35

They're not driven by altruistic reasons Like wake up.

28:42 - Nachi (Host)

Yes, it's not meant for you to stop using it.

28:44 - Damaris (Host)

No, no. And I'm glad you say that, nachi, because you know I don't want people like oh my goodness, damaris and Nachi are such radicals Like I don't want people like oh my goodness, damaris, and not just the radicals like they don't want say no to drugs.

28:55

I mean, yeah, you should be, saying no to drugs, but there's a time and a place for medication. I'm here for it yeah, it's great but I personally am not here to live by that medication and to and and in some form for sustainability. That doesn't work for my body. My body naturally is inhospitable to foreign agents. So viruses do not thrive in me. No, illness does not thrive in me. They die. They die before they even retreat, because I've trained my immune system. That's something that I will share with our listeners in the future of what we do.

29:36

But yeah, no, no, no they don't, and I mean in real talk. Pharmaceuticals are the largest legal drug cartel.

29:47 - Nachi (Host)

Yep.

29:49 - Damaris (Host)

And people may be like Tamera, is that harsh? You're not a cartel. I know you guys are like what's this voice that she makes? That's the voice that I hear in my head. But, Damaris, Let me read to you now the definition of cartel an association of manufacturers or suppliers with the purpose of maintaining prices at a high level and restricting competition Sounds about right to me. Yeah, no, Cartel.

30:25 - Nachi (Host)

There's no lie to it there, yeah, cartel. That definition is fitting for them. Yes, which leads us to the partner of yeah cartel. That definition is fitting for them.

30:32 - Damaris (Host)

Yes, which leads us to the partner of said cartel. Who do you think? That partner is actually the fda, the food and drug administration of the united states of america, y'all. It's kind of funny how like fda is responsible for not just drugs but food and that's the other, the other component to guys you need to listen to our big food episodes.

30:56

It all makes sense, but they are responsible for the approving and licensing of drugs in the good old us of a another three letter of agency that are.

31:08

That's like another four letter word.

31:10

So it's interesting because I came across these fantastic infographics of the process in which the FDA approves said drugs, which I'm going to just link to because it's like it's actually amazing to look at and when you see the steps it's kind of nutso.

31:29

There's a series of steps that the pharmaceutical company goes through in terms of actually getting drugs slash, vaccine approved through the FDA and it's through and it starts off with animal studies and then ultimately into clinical trials in humans. The animal studies come up first, but ultimately the clinical trials is what helps determine if something is safe and effective, to also ensure that it does what it claims to do and there's a health benefit to it. So, as I mentioned already, the testing first happens in laboratories on animals and then ultimately they put it out to humans in clinical trials. Now the clinical trial can take years to complete, but then which was weird, because the FDA this is on the FDA infographic and on the site it says however, once research has shown that the drug is safe and useful. The FDA typically reviews and either proves or denies an application for a new drug within six months, but if a clinical trial takes years to complete, Right, and how do they turn around and approve it?

32:46

How do they determine if it's safe and effective, if it's only been tested on animals and in the lab first, and the clinical trials are like a series of years. It's like it starts with 100 people, then like some 500, then 1,000 people, but they say that they can essentially approve or deny an application within six months. Again, to me it's like the cognitive dissonance of accepting this at face value and not understanding how real talk this last medical crisis. Understanding you're in a clinical trial. Let me get this infographic up because I think you need to understand Nachi. Yeah, so, nachi. The first phase of a clinical trial includes 20 to 80 healthy volunteers. This phase one emphasizes safety. Then the second phase is 100. And then the phase three is in the thousands. Y'all in the clinical trial. Good luck with that.

33:46

I'm just saying this is no disrespect to anybody who was part of the clinical trial that occurred in 2021 to present day, right? I'm just saying that. Understand when the fda is explicitly laying out exactly their process. Understand the operation. What, what is it? What was it called Warp speed? That operation to come up with a vaccine for said illness was four months, wow, and it was like from August to like December and it's like, oh, we got something, guys, we're going to roll it out in January. Wait, what? What are the clinical trials? And so, again, it's medical freedom, like if you wanted to be a part of it, that's all good. Like, I don't care, my point is just to share with you about that.

34:42

So the interesting thing you know I've always wondered about well, why isn't it that? Because you and I, since we go to a naturopathic family doctor, you know we take in a lot of natural supplements and I always wondered well, why don't they do these studies that are done for the FDA that provides these approvals? Because there are clinical trials and studies that are provided to them by said pharmaceutical companies. Why don't they get the same things for supplements? Because supplements, you'll always see the label that, oh, it's not FDA approved.

35:16

And so I learned it's because you can't patent natural elements, which is kind of beautiful, right? So nobody can say, oh, this healing property of plant X, I'm going to patent it. No, what pharmaceutical companies do, because a lot of the underlying compounds and makeup of these pharmaceutical drugs is that they were based off of the healing properties of plants. So what they do is they create synthetic versions of these properties and that's how they make the money, because they can patent that, and so they run their. They're willing to pay for the research to do this because they know they can make more money in the end because they can patent this drug and make billions of dollars. So I found that all interesting and so people should be thinking about that when it comes to okay, well, there's likely some natural plant or herb derivative, something, some property that can probably help usually your ailment, because that is the underlying.

36:18 - Nachi (Host)

Right, because they're pulling.

36:19 - Damaris (Host)

Right, what that? That was created for that pharmaceutical drug. But what's also further interesting is this idea of what they call a revolving door with FDA employees and pharmaceutical companies and I've mentioned this before about literally. You have people in the public sector working for the FDA, reviewing drugs and then moving into being part of them.

36:46

Yes, being working for a pharmaceutical company Right, and not to say that there's anything inherently wrong with that. But again, put your thinking cap on. Let's think critically. For example, Dr Scott Gottlieb. He was commissioner for the FDA 2017 to 2019. And then he moved to serve on the board of Pfizer 2020. It was a big event that happened in 2020, right, Nachi?

37:14

Yes, yes, okay A big one and Pfizer was part of something even bigger in 2021, right, delivering something? Yes, anywho, very big, very big, very big. Not saying that that was planned before. People were like, oh my God, you were a conspiracy theorist. No, I'm just saying that the whole idea of you literally was commissioned for FDA. Now you're on a board for a company that's spearheading this one particular vaccine that will wholesale bring them in billions, billions upon billions of dollars, wholesale bring them in billions, billions upon billions of dollars.

37:49

So your level of connections at the FDA is going to be invaluable. Right? I mean, you're going to tell me that you did not talk to your old colleagues in FDA. I'm not saying anything nefarious or illegal happened. No, the point is that there is nothing right now that's stopping people from doing that, and you just have to naturally think like somewhere in the back of your mind that could it be your career goal that you somehow work on the other side of the table? And if you felt that way while you were working on the public side, like the FDA, did that change how you chose to regulate what came across your desk? Does that influence? I don't know, but those are things and questions we should be asking ourselves and be considering.

38:38 - Nachi (Host)

Yes, we should always be questioning.

38:41 - Damaris (Host)

It's okay to question Because they were hammered in 2021 and 2022. How dare you question the authority? What? Who's the authority? The government and big pharma. You telling me what I need to do? I can't think for myself Not going to happen, Not on my watch. See, I have to calm down. I have to calm down.

39:06

Calm down, not on my watch, not on my watch. For me, you, to our listeners, to anyone, respectfully, I want you to do whatever it is that you feel comfortable doing. This is not. What we're sharing today is not by any means intended to sway you to not take medication or to take medication. I frankly don't care. I care that you do what is right for you. That is what I care about. What you end up doing, it is not for me to have. I don't have skin in the game on that, but I certainly have skin in the game for myself and for my family. So I'm going to share and I'm going to try to influence as much as possible one way or another. But for me, what I? I am anti you telling me what I should do with me.

39:55 - Nachi (Host)

Absolutely.

39:57 - Damaris (Host)

And y'all should all be anti anyone else telling you what to do with you. To me that's a no brainer.

40:05 - Nachi (Host)

Right.

40:05 - Damaris (Host)

When the government says, jump, I pack more things in my bug out bag. I already told y'all I'm not.

40:12 - Nachi (Host)

I'm not asking how high what they're trying to do here? I need to figure this out. The minute.

40:19 - Damaris (Host)

They like oh, we want you to take this, Wait what? Okay, Actually negative. So I'm excited to share. Like this is what we shared tonight is really thousand foot view right, it's so high level. Barely scratched the surface, but these are all things that I'm hoping people can just sit with and understand the lay of the land when it comes to these private companies that are publicly traded but are not government entities and their engagement with government agencies. Connect the dots, Understand where money flows. Yes, some of these medicines actually do good for people, especially with rare diseases and stuff, but I don't take that away from pharmaceutical companies, but by and large, that's not where they're making the bulk of their money. And also, you have to think. If you don't take your own health into your own hands and take care of the vessel that the creator has given you, then you are putting that power in someone else's hands. And I'm saying think about that.

41:31 - Nachi (Host)

Yeah, and it's a combination of things. It's just what you said you have to take control of your own health and it's not just taking supplements, because you can't take supplements, that it does not take the place of everything else that you need to do, like eating the right foods, moving, exercise, you know, doing those things. It's a combination of all those things that's going to help you take care of yourself. So you have to look at that and how that plays in your take care of yourself. So you have to look at that and how that plays in your life and looking at okay, I'm being prescribed this and from a personal experience, when I had surgery, I had a hysterectomy several years ago and my physician prescribed this hormone replacement. My physician prescribed there's hormone replacement and I asked him. I said well, how long am I supposed to take this? He said forever. That didn't sit well with me because I was like forever, forever, ever, ever.

42:38

Why would I take this forever? That made no sense to me and I'm not gonna lie, I I did it for a little bit because I was like, well, let me just take it because until I figure out what to do and understand what my body actually needs, because I don't think I should be using this medication for the rest of my life. That and, and the whole number one, I probably shouldn't have had the surgery, but that's a whole other topic and conversation.

43:15 - Damaris (Host)

When, when, talking about this topic. I just there's like the whole medical industry that is separate from this. That requires its own multi-episode, and that's part of it Always wanting to take your fucking organs.

43:30 - Nachi (Host)

Yes, quick to take somebody's organs.

43:33

Very quick, Very quick. And if you're not knowledgeable and again I wasn't knowledgeable in that sense of okay, well, I had trust in my physician and I knew I wasn't, you know, wasn't planning to have any more kids, but I didn't understand the effects of having that, having my uterus removed, how that was going to impact me. Had I known and had I done the research and found an alternative method of taking care of my uterus, I don't think I would have needed to have that surgery. But I did because I trusted my physician and, okay, I'll do this because I want to be here for my kids. Right, because that's how they get you. They put this fear in you.

44:36 - Damaris (Host)

they use your it could become fatal. And then you're like, okay, well, I got to do something right, I don't want that.

44:45 - Nachi (Host)

I want to be here for my children, obviously was it when we were in Florida? You're like, okay, well, I got to do something. I don't want that. I want to be here for my children, obviously. But and was it when we were in Florida a couple of years ago and I had this extreme stomach pain? I don't know what was going on, but it was just so bad that I couldn't even get up.

45:01 - Damaris (Host)

Yeah, and this was during the pandemic and I was with Damaris I was like damaris, I was like let me go to the hospital by myself.

45:12 - Nachi (Host)

No, that was without saying the virus.

45:13 - Damaris (Host)

The virus met me there I know they wouldn't let me ride their ambulance with you yes, but they, they let you come to the back, which was surprising at that time.

45:22 - Nachi (Host)

Then and I this lady, no lie she was like, oh, we don't have a sonogram, but if this pain continues on tomorrow morning we could just remove your gallbladder. What?

45:34 - Damaris (Host)

no, it is something sinister are tripping. Why are y'all obsessed with somebody's organs?

45:42 - Nachi (Host)

but the extreme pain that I was in. And if my sister was? I didn't want that, but my sister was there. I didn't want that, but my sister was there as well and she knew I didn't want that. But if I didn't have someone, I could see someone in extreme pain being like you know what?

45:56 - Damaris (Host)

Yes, take it out, do what you got to do.

45:58 - Nachi (Host)

Take it out, take it out, I don't care, and if you remove your gallbladder, it impacts you severely.

46:06 - Damaris (Host)

Yes, and they make it seem like it's a light. It's just like oh, it's just an extraction of this one organ that doesn't really do a lot for you. No, everything, your body is a miracle. It is a system that. It is a well-oiled machine. Everything has a purpose. Do not believe the hype, do not fall for the banana, the tailpipe and and think for one second that, oh, one organ, as small as it may be, is inconsequential.

46:32 - Nachi (Host)

It is very consequential right, but I was I, I know I I sidetracked a bit, but it was a good story. Going back to the medication, the prescription that I was given yes, because we'll go.

46:50 - Damaris (Host)

We'll go go off on a tangent and I mean, this is why I said like I we could do so many episodes on so many branches of this one topic, but but the whole idea of he just said, no, you'll have to take this for the rest of your life Didn't sit Well.

47:08 - Nachi (Host)

just just for you all to know, I don't take that medication. I took it for like a year and then I decided.

47:15 - Damaris (Host)

I ain't praise God anymore. Praise God, praise God, praise God.

47:19 - Nachi (Host)

This. This is not worth it. I could do other things and I have. I. I'm not using that because I'm not taking something that it doesn't make any sense to me. It makes no sense to me Cause you're saying, because I'm going to be going through menopause, like I'm going to be literally thrust into menopause, and so here is this medication to help you with the symptoms of menopause. Okay, If I naturally went through menopause, I wouldn't be taking this medication.

47:54

I wouldn't be taking this medication, so why are you having me take this? Yeah, I'll figure it out.

48:03 - Damaris (Host)

Yeah, yes, and praise God. You have and you are good, and so this is what we want to leave our listeners with is ultimately food for thought the idea of we share this information with you guys for awareness. This is not to make you scared or to trigger you to make one decision or another. Everyone's situation is unique and different and you need to consider that for yourself. We share our stories because this is why we think what we think, and we know we're not alone in what we've gone through. So if this resonates with you, fantastic. If it doesn't, fantastic. Right.

48:48

Whatever works with you Rock on, we'll be okay, and you will be okay too, but know that we love you, no matter what you decide to do, whether you're in the clinical trial or not.

49:01 - Nachi (Host)

Stop it.

49:04 - Damaris (Host)

Your mother's in the clinical trial, mommy's in the clinical trial, no, no, but we love you guys and we know that this can be a controversial topic for a lot of people, and you know people could feel strongly one way or another and get unhinged. We're not unhinged, and so, and if you get unhinged by what you're hearing, then you should reflect on why you're so triggered. So, ultimately, we want to close out, as we always do. There's a lot of noise out there, but our message is consistent Stop getting distracted by the smoke and mirrors, tune out the noise and focus on your divine purpose in life, vibrate higher to elevate your frequency and always thank you for listening. So, that said, don't forget to subscribe to our channel and follow us on instagram, tiktok and twitter at. I'm not yelling underscore and we look forward to talking next time.